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Vicarious Mistake, Lying and Paltering

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Edited by Martin Cadwell, Sunday 28 December 2025 at 14:52

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Vicarious Mistakes

I have so much more to learn

I am fairly certain I made a mistake in the previous post I wrote yesterday morning; on the subject of third person narrative, most commonly found in self-help books and such; though successfully used in fiction: 'Bright Lights, Big City' by Jay McInerney in 1984, which was adapted into a film starring Michael J Fox in 1988. All that is true and can be found at:

https://reedsy.com/blog/guide/point-of-view/second-person-pov/ 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Lights%2C_Big_City_(film)

and if you want to waste a lot of your data download allowance:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094799/

The mistake I made was through what I call a 'vicarious mistake'. A vicarious mistake, in my mind, is the repetition of someone else's mistake while believing that there is no mistake. It comes down to 'Who do you really trust?' A weak example of a vicarious mistake is to use a double space after every full stop when you write. That used to be the norm in Britain. I had a girlfriend who taught MBA's at Exeter University and most of her classes had foreign students. My girlfriend insisted upon her students to always use a double space after every full-stop, so they did. I told my girlfriend double spaces are archaic. It is an archaic practice. It is true. She stopped telling her students to use a double-space after full-stops. However, if any person was told by one of her students to always use double spaces after every full stop because they themselves were told by my girlfriend to do so, they, the person advised by her student, would be repeating her error and making a vicarious mistake.

Vicarious mistakes happen all day every day across the world and our attention is drawn to them when someone realises they have been doing things wrong and says, 'Oh! I have always done it this way!' because they were shown to do it  that way. (There is actually a double space after the italicised 'it' - for letter spacing purposes; learnt in calligraphy lessons)

I made a vicarious mistake by omission in yesterday's post. The source I had for learning about 2nd (second) person narrative was a person who failed to explain that, as with first person narrative:

'I went to the shops. It started to rain. I got wet' 

and third (3rd) person narrative:

'He/She/They went to the shops. It started to rain. He/She/They got wet'

2rd (second) person narrative can also include the centre sentence 'It started to rain'.

I failed to include any sentence in my earlier example in yesterday's post that was merely descriptive. Not every sentence needs to have a character in it, such as, 'It started to rain'.

If you want to read about POV and narratives you might go to:

https://reedsy.com/blog/guide/point-of-view/

Some of the following uses a fourth (4th) person point of view 'we' and 'us'.

Lying and Paltering

Suppose someone is asked, 'Did you eat the last piece of pizza in the fridge?' There are a range of answers that we might consider to be not honest.

Let's assume a single person answering did eat the last piece of pizza in the fridge. 'Not me' is an intentional lie by commission; 'I ate some' is an intentional lie by omission because it does not include the information that the 'some' is the last piece. 'I ate the cake' is an intentional lie by obfuscation because if it is true directs the questioner away from their question. This means it is paltering. The last, 'What pizza?' is not lying at all but is using obfuscation, diversionary tactics and delay to avoid confessing anything.

In economics, 'needs and wants', amorphous as they are, are regarded to have more value for different people and at different times. In order to be able to keep track of the value of these needs and wants they are given values known as 'utils'. See the Diminishing Margin of Utility in economics for an accurate explanation. The American (no cookie opt out) Investopedia (https://www.investopedia.com should be able to give a succinct definition. Use the drop down menu at the top left of their page to be able to search, otherwise: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawofdiminishingutility.asp

Diminishing Margin of Utility If I am hungry, I place more value on the first pork pie in a pack of four than on the second; more on the second than the third; and so on. By the time I have eaten the third, I may have had enough or I am just bored with pork pies. This means that I could give significantly more 'utils' to the first pork pie then the fourth pork pie. The utility of filling me up has been accomplished by eating the first three pies.

In my local shop I discovered mince pies in multiples of three. There were packets of 18 and 27. Odd number, twenty seven isn't it? I suggest, most people might stop at eating three mince pies one after the other, so packaging four mince pies together is a waste of a unit from the manufacturers point of view. Is it a vicarious mistake to put four mince pies in a box, after commodification of products was universalised? I think so. Yet, is a triangular box more expensive to produce than a rectangular box? (a square is a special kind of a rectangle because it has four right angles and two opposite sides of equal length twice). I am slightly digressing in that I am drifting away from how much value we place on eating and what preferences we have. However, the number of mince pies in a box links two things: utility; and a suggested move away from making the same marketing mistake (vicarious mistake or inherited mistake).

If the owner of both the pizza and the cake places more value (utils) on the pizza than on the cake, it may be preferable to confess to eating their cake and withstand their wrath in the hope they will go away after venting their anger and forget about their much more precious pizza. In fact, what might actually happen is that the person who ate the cake may get vicariously blamed for also eating the pizza, if someone else ate it. Yet, with no confession for eating the pizza from any party the heightened anger felt by the owner of these foods for the loss of the cake is less than the sum of the loss of the cake and the pizza directed at two separate individuals, or even a single individual if it occurs as a single event.

So, if someone eats someone else's pizza and cake, it may pay to 'palter' by confessing to eating the cake in response to 'Did you eat my pizza?' or the last piece of pizza. A manipulator, despite never be asked about the cake, may reason that it is best to take the hit for eating the cake so everyone can move on, even if someone else ate the pizza.

The American Psychological Association says in an article 'True Lies: People Who Lie Via Telling Truth Viewed Harshly, Study Finds' (2016) that when people are asked an uncomfortable question they often will continue to tell the truth but without answering the question itself to create a mistaken impression.

References

The American Psychological Association (2016)

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/12/true-lies

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Honest Lies

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Honest Lies

My friend told me that the BBC in the UK is not funded solely funded by tax-payers money. It gets revenue from advertising on the internet. Personally, I think they, in doing so, have undercut their integrity. However, I don't care, because the only BBC broadcast I listen to is the BBC World Service; and even then, only when the needle on the LBC record is stuck. (LBC is a nationally broadcast, music-free radio station). 

Most of my time is spent with the radio off, and I have no television to distract me from real life. I do, however, remember repeats from the 1970s like The Waltons and Little House on The Prairie. I miss them. I seem to remember they were a bit like mission plays in a kind of fable way. There was, I think, a moral to the story; something wholesome to be learnt. I think people like those shows because the were uncomplicated and honest.

Honesty, the subject and theme of this post, is one of my favourite topics. I understand how it is difficult to be honest with others and especially ourselves. I have heard that one of the most difficult things about lying is that one has to continue to lie in order not to reveal the original lie. I have also heard that it is extremely difficult to consistently lie because lies, being not real events, have no history to each one. Only a fictional history can be added, as in a prequel. These fictional prequels are eminently checkable. Best keep fiction in the here and now and as false promises, eh?

I get why Christians might be try to align themselves with, or attach themselves to an honest person. They might feel that they are experiencing God through a real person. (I can tell you that humans are kind). They might be encouraged to try to emulate that person's honesty. There is, I suggest, a strong parallel concept when Christianity and honesty are independently considered and compared. Of course, I do not intend to reduce any religion down to a simple notion of concepts. Let it suffice that the point I am trying to make is after giving up everything to worship a Supreme Being, trying to achieve a state of cleanliness free from sin is the leading necessity in religion. Put crudely, though I believe it is also accurate, this is taking a step to give up on everyone else for the sake of a single goal. For me, that is absolute truth. For a Christian it is God; or if they describe God - absolute truth. But the act of worshipping God is the only necessity for a Christian religion. Actually, doing it, requires another religion: honesty. Like a alcohol and substance abuse addict, abstention requires willpower and grit and determination. Ultimately, it means losing 'friends' and familiar places to go hang around in. For example, it wouldn't take me long drinking and leaning against a pub bar with other people to 'back-slide' into spreading lies. I actually don't get addicted to alcohol or anything else. I stopped eating fatty or sweet foods like pies and cakes and have no problem ignoring them in shopping aisles, just like not drinking alcohol or smoking despite being a heavy user of both in the past. But lying, that is a tricky one.

So, here is where I find a parallel. Because I can ignore other people's feelings I could be called psychopathic. But, that is a sweeping and, I suggest, an ill-informed opinion. the clue is in 'I can'. I don't switch my emotions off. Once upon a time, they were switched off by my mind to protect me from further emotional harm. i could have stayed that way but chose not to. I decided to care; to experience; to be like an android or robot or Pinocchio and get confused by conflicting feelings. A born-again Christian (someone who has chosen to be a Christian, rather than be one from birth) gives up people. They decide, hopefully by themselves, that God is more important than people; including their family and friends. There is an overwhelming urge to throw in 'Selfish!' at this point. There! I did.

I propose that Christians feel guilty about putting God before everything else and seek to don attributes that they consider to be 'Christian-like'. Honesty! It is no wonder that we hear so much about it from Christians' mouths. I think it is one of the Ten Commandment given to Moses who had momentarily escaped from the hub-bub and thrum of a crowd. I think it is something about not bearing false witness against your neighbour. I think that means you can lie about your enemy, if we take those words without the context in which it might have been meant; that is if we can, or want to, give credence to an historical event, and want to transpose it for relevance in a modern context, today.

That last aside, I can be honest without really any effort at all. That does not make me worthy of praise or approbation. It also should not mean that people should look to me for advice; neither should anyone try to emulate me; or attempt to be honest in their own lives. I am not an icon of righteousness. I am someone who can give a damn, or a hoot, or a fig; but because I am honest, there are not many people around me to give damns, hoots, and figs to. This means, I can be honest with strangers who will, therefore, always be strangers. Do you see where I am going with this?

I think I scare the 'heebie-jeebies' out of people. They don't have any heuristics to deal with someone who has no damns, hoots, or figs to give. I don't even have a presentation display case of them. I hated the WYSIWYG (wizzywig) acronyn when I first come across it and thankfully it had gone until, Voila! Here is!. But that does describe me pretty accurately. Almost without exception, I feel that everyone I meet or who knows me somehow, thinks I am an idiot. If I was an object I would be a kaleidoscope. I have no position from which my character is known other than honesty, righteousness and moral rectitude. Everyday, a new set of circumstances arises and I do not have a solid standpoint. I give some topics as examples: taxes; immigration; family, men and women. These are social issues that, as topics, tend to cause similarly-minded people to clump together and, like arm-chair critics, firmly pontificate, promulgate and expostulate. 

An amusing aside - I won a five pound bet that both 'postulate' and 'expostulate' are not only in the dictionary but also have the same meaning. You can think you know Latin, but....

I mentioned to someone that I like women's football. I only see it at my friend's house. He mentioned something about female body shapes, and I said, "No, I like they way they play football. It is noticeably different to how professional male footballers play". He looked confused. As a man, I broke a golden rule.

You see, this is honesty. Not that I am telling him or you what I thought and revealed that many men look at sportswomen with a naughty glint in their eyes. Everyone knows that. The truth is that I see beyond a female shape. The truth is that I notice that The Lionesses pause, control the ball, and then shoot; while a male England player volleys the ball from a well-aimed cross. The truth is that women are seemingly not comfortable volleying footballs in major matches. I have no idea about league games. I like players controlling footballs. I can see what is happening. 

It may be so that I see things that other people do not see because I have no emotional attachment to certain things. Raise taxes; tax the rich; tax the poor; tax school-children (not toddlers though); tax the children of dead people. It is all the same to me, because I am both; not prescient; and have no information on the duration of taxation. 

Every tax incurred will result in a different future than if that tax was never collected. But that is just a tiny part of tax. All the tax collected could be burned and we might look only at the reduction of spending money people have. The tax money could be squandered or used wisely. We could be better off or worse off. I am not an economist, so even if I knew all the variables I could not even guess at how the future would be; An economist would need to also be prescient to know what a future might hold, because we have Global Trading to queer any plan for any future. You know, The Butterfly Effect. Loosely then, tax people bad! Don't tax people bad!

I am weird to them, because I am honest with myself, in that I know that I know nothing about the future; my future and all of our futures. So, I will not moan with strangers or acquaintances about stuff they think is important. Please, I think, Just go home and quietly cut your grass, or kiss your loved ones (but never your dog first). 

However, these people also know I am educated. I suspect they think I am dangerous and not to be trusted, because I won't agree with the 'wool they pull over their eyes'. The pigeon-hole I think they put me in, is 'Idiot / Simpleton'. It is really annoying because it is a trigger for my PTSD, but habituation slowly works away on me.

In fairness, I think some people, if they analysed what I am doing during our conversations is that I am pulling my punches. Another way to see that is; my spirit is holding up a banner that says: 'Never pull the tail of a sleeping Tiger!' But, like me, my spirit won't quite tell the whole truth by adding an explanation.

Oh, wait! In the last paragraph, I have just described everyone, I think.

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